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7:09 AM
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GROUND WIRES: HOW-TO
GUIDE
Here's what you'll need:
-a good 45-60 mins -11ft of 4 or 8 awg copper power
cables -Knife -Wire Cutter/Stripper Tool -12 crimp
connectors (openings around 5/16 or 3/8's will be fine) -Pliers
or something similar to crimp ends -And the obvious socket set
for the points you choose to use
(4awg vs 8awg)
Step One: Measure & Cut Wires
What you're going to want to do is make sure you measure each
wire by hand so that you'll have just the right amount of wire from
each point. You do not want to leave alot of wire dangling around
your engine compartment nor do you want to leave your wires too
short. When measuring each, make sure you take in to concideration
that you will be crimping on ends to the wires.
For example: Here are some points that I chose to use:
Step Two: Crimp on the ends
This is pretty self explanitory. Everyone should know how to
crimp on some ends. If your not sure how, send me an IM. I'll walk
you through it. Here are my finished wires:
Step Three: Grounding the Wires
Ok, now its time to start grounding the wires. Above, was a brief
ms paint job on where I have my grounding points. To this mod there
are certain points that must be used. Here's a list of the points:
-Passenger fender -Driver fender -Centralized
point -Point on the block -Tranny grounding point -Negative
battery terminal
The following pictures are Hungalicious' ride with the points
that I recommend:
Ground Point One: From fender to throttle
body
*note* the black tap on the throttle body can me removed to give
you extra thread if you are not going to be using your engine cover.
Ground Point Two: From throttle body to
the central point near FPR.
**Caution** do not over tighten this bolt. It is very sensitive
and easy to break.
Ground Point Three: From central point
to negative terminal on the battery
Ground Point Four From central point
to negative ground on tranny
*note* this picture does not show ground wires connected to
it. But this is the point you'll use to connect two grounds.
Ground Point Five: Negative ground on
tranny to negative terminal on battery (need picture)
Ground Point Six: Point from negative
terminal on battery to point on chassis
*note* Hungalicious used the bolting point near the air box, but
I would highly recommend the point on the inner fender. Same point
used on passenger fender. Such as black2001aww did here:
Voila! Your done! Now go out and enjoy a cleaner radio, better
throttle response, and some extra hp/tq!
*Note* My points that I used, Hungalicious, and Black2001aww,
was recommended to me by some great local guys. You can add as many
other points as you'd like. An example of an extra point is the
coilpack ground that BlackAWW2001 used:
Now, although you can add as many extra points as you'd like,
there are also some points that you cannot change, or not use. These
points are:
-Tranny ground -negative terminal
There are requirements to this mod that you must follow,
but you are allowed to change the points. For example, you
must have these points:
-Passenger fender -Driver fender -Central Point -Point
on block
These points are required but you can change the points. If you
find a different bolt on the fenders that you want to try, go for
it. Or if you find a better centralized point, try it out. Same for
points on the block. These are points that you can experiment with,
but you must have.
Also, all these pictures can also be enlarged by adding .orig.jpg
Enjoy!
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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7:12 AM
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Alright guys, I finished the guide. Thank you
Hungalicious, Bug Power, Black2001aww, Chris86vw, Nessal, and
JudoGTI for the great info and pictures.
And as you can see, my only digital camera is my cellphone, so
i'll soon have to get off my ass and meet up with Perfekt or
Flyinturbo for use of their cameras
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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7:19 AM
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Thanks sean!
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7:21 AM
10-7-2003 |
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Here's a better view of some of the grounding points. Thanks
Nessal for the pic btw! Oh yeah, and disregard the yellow
circle.
Btw, I can take a picture of my engine bay if someone local has a
digital camera
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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8:58 AM
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I've got one.. just let me know when...
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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9:40 AM
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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12:02 PM
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how does this differ from the stock grounding points,
and what benefit does it give....just wondering
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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3:52 PM
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What gains in perfromance have you seen w/your setup
compared to HKS's grounding system or this one from Hyper Ground
which I posted about a while back http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=746039 ?
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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6:22 PM
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Quote, originally posted by FlyinTurbo
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I've got one.. just let me know when...
Oh, wait.. I guess I could just snap one of my cars FOR
you?! |
lol. I guess you could. But it would be nice to finally put my
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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6:30 PM
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I'm sure between Greg and I, we could get a pic of
your engine bay on here. _______
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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7:59 PM
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so what about the gains? Better fuel economy, power, etc
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8:21 PM
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For gains I have personally noticed better throttle
response, a bit more torque, and about 50 extra miles per tank of
gas. Like i said, i have them off now but i will be putting them
back on and will use the Vag to see any differences.
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8:22 PM
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Quote, originally posted by Perfekt » |
I'm sure between Greg and I, we could get a
pic of your engine bay on here.
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I'll probably be heading to the Pavillions on Sat. Either of you
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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9:29 PM
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Quote, originally posted by Seanathan`
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For gains I have personally noticed better
throttle response, a bit more torque, and about 50 extra
miles per tank of gas. Like i said, i have them off now
but i will be putting them back on and will use the Vag to see
any differences. |
That
about convinces me . . . figure about $2 gallon over time = money
saved to cover the mod and then some! Bump for more pics.
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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10:48 PM
10-7-2003 |
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I have no idea what this post is about, buy 50 mpt
would be very nice. Please explain what you did.
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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10:57 PM
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Quote, originally posted by Seanathan`
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I'll probably be heading to the Pavillions on
Sat. Either of you guys going up at all? |
I believe Saturday is the Globe drive, so unless we are all
(don't think Greg is going) back in time for Pavs, we'd have to get
together another time. _______
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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11:26 PM
10-7-2003 |
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I dont understand the concept behind this!
IN that picture on top with the Yellow lines and circles, are
they suppose to represent? Mounting points to run wire to?
(5-6)? Is there a benefit to running more than one ground? and
Does the # of grounds have an exponantial effect on this mod?
Is this a good deal on these? Red Heavy
Duty Grounding Wire Kit, Universal Retail Price: $99.99 ON SALE
NOW! $49.99 FREE SHIPPING
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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12:13 AM
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Quote, originally posted by mzdaklr » |
I have no idea what this post is about, buy 50
mpt would be very nice. Please explain what you
did. |
I am blissfully ignorant here too. What exactly are we doing?
Re-grounding points in our engine?
Could you please explain this a little more in depth for idiots
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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12:44 AM
10-8-2003 |
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Basically, more ground points equals stronger current
equals bigger spark equals better burn equals benefits. Good for
those looking for that last little bit of extra
uumph. _______
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12:55 AM
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What was your logic behind choosing the grounding
points that you did? Also, is their any reason to think that this
may cause a ground loop of some sort or do you have all termination
points going to the same place as the battery
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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2:06 AM
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looks like the grounding points are all spots where
the connector will easily screw onto. The points are nicely spread
accross the engine. It really doesn't matter where they go, as long
as it's metal. Technically, the whole engine is grounded anyway, but
at one (or two) primary points. An engine block isn't exactly the
greatest conductor, so grounding it all over the place just ensures
a nice ground plane for anything requiring a 0V reference.
Ground loops? You're basically creating a much more solid ground
plane accross your engine bay. Everything is connected back up to
the neg terminal of the battery. A stronger ground point might also
help with better radio reception too!
edit: Juan8Tee -- looks a little expensive for wires and
connectors, but on the plus side it looks nice and no soldering is
required. It's not an "exponential" difference with the # of
grounds. You're just preventing the ground ("0V source") from
floating (ie. becoming slightly higher than 0V) on different points
of your engine.
how much of a difference will it make? Who knows. You might not
even notice it...but as far as electronics and maximizing difference
of the voltage potentials accross your engine bay (0V and 12-ish V)
the more grounds the better!
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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2:32 AM
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heres another stupid question but where does the
other end of the wire tap to?like i know one end goes to one of
those circcled points but where does that connect to? sorry for the
noobie question
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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3:04 AM
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Quote, originally posted by b0mbasaur
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heres another stupid question but where does
the other end of the wire tap to?like i know one end goes to
one of those circcled points but where does that connect to?
sorry for the noobie question
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They are daisy chained, start with 2 cables from negative
terminal ( the kits come with a terminal adapter), one going to
chassis and the other to the first grounding point. No particular
order - intake manifold, head, block, transmission and the opposite
shock tower. The gains can vary depending on where you attach. Also,
the gains are greater for a car with mods, than for a car with no
mods - In other words, with a good grounding system, your car is
better able to utilize the mods you have done.
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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5:12 AM
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Quote, originally posted by lenswerks
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They are daisy chained, start with 2 cables from negative
terminal ( the kits come with a terminal adapter), one going
to chassis and the other to the first grounding point. No
particular order - intake manifold, head, block, transmission
and the opposite shock tower. The gains can vary depending on
where you attach. Also, the gains are greater for a car with
mods, than for a car with no mods - In other words, with a
good grounding system, your car is better able to utilize the
mods you have done. |
Exactly. There are two points that are pretty much a must. One
being the negative terminal, and two being the tranny ground point.
But you can ground it wherever you wish. Basically on somewhere that
is metal. I chose these points because a couple of local guys
recommended me these places. I have not messed around with other
points, so you guys feel free.
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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5:18 AM
10-8-2003 |
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Quote, originally posted by Juan8Tee » |
IN that picture on top with the Yellow lines and circles,
are they suppose to represent? Mounting points to run wire to?
(5-6)? |
lol.. between 1-6 that is how many wires you'll need. People were
asking me how many wires, and I figured people can could circles,
but might get confused on all the lines going every which way. I
would recommend enlarging the pictures so that you can see the
points better.
Quote, originally posted by Juan8Tee » |
Is this a good deal on these? Red
Heavy Duty Grounding Wire Kit, Universal Retail Price:
$99.99 ON SALE NOW! $49.99 FREE SHIPPING
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50 bucks isn't that bad. But they can be made for less
than 30 bucks. Also, I originally was ignorant when I bought these
and wasn't sure what the hell they were exactly made out of, and
what was involved, etc. So I spent 100 bucks when i bought them, and
that pretty much seems to be the universal price.
Btw, thank you to the guy who I bought them from, you helped me
at the Pavillions figure out what the hell i was doing, and for the
extra help. But now I know the secret behind them
Edit: Make sure you get copper wires if you plan on making them
yourself. Tomorrow I will be making some new ones, basically because
I cannot stand the color I originally got . So I will
post tomorrrow how to make these yourself.
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I'd like to see a pic of it wired up. It seems to me
like it would look cluttered under the hood?
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7:21 AM
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Quote, originally posted by judoGTI » |
I'd like to see a pic of it wired up. It seems
to me like it would look cluttered under the hood?
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Ahh, I don't think its that bad. I had some baby blue
originally, and thats out. So now i'm getting black. But my bay
isn't for a show anyway, so it doesn't bother me. As soon as I can
get a digi from Perfekt or FlyinTurbo, I'll post some pics too.
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12:41 PM
10-8-2003 |
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currently I went from my motor mount (on the chassis)
on the passenger side, to the head->to the block-> Intake
Manifold -> Couldn't find where the ground wire was on the
Tranny-> then the Negative battery
terminal? _______
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2:06 PM
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let me see if i got this right.
take 6 wires of 6 or 8 gauge. start at the neg. on the battery
and jump off to the driver side strut tower, then go from the neg.
on the battery to the tranny and then to the intake, head and then
to the passenager strut tower. i think i missed one............am i
close here?
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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3:03 PM
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One I would add one I would change.
I would make the valve cover one go to the ground on the coil
pack harness, just to reinforce it directly at the source.
I would also add one from the alternator housing to the chassis,
this has been known to clean up running issues on older cars like
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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3:34 PM
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Quote, originally posted by mzdaklr » |
I have no idea what this post is about, buy 50
mpt would be very nice. Please explain what you
did. | How in the world did you get 50mpt
more from doing this??
That is a huge improvment. (That would put me back where i was
before my MPG went to hell.)
Edit: Would a bad ground result in poorer gas
mileage?
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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4:38 PM
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If we were going to make these ourselves (which I
recommend everyone do, instead of buying them) what composite solder
should we use?
I've never soldered such heavy gauge wire before. Thx.
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
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4:46 PM
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Quote, originally posted by judoGTI » |
If we were going to make these ourselves
(which I recommend everyone do, instead of buying them) what
composite solder should we use?
I've never soldered such heavy gauge wire before. Thx.
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Just use high quality crimp terminals from a stereo shop, it will
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4:52 PM
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Quote, originally posted by chris86vw
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Just use high quality crimp terminals from a stereo shop,
it will be a much better connection. |
Well I know you have argued this quite a bit before, but I was
reading this:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread/t-364247.html
And it states
Quote » |
Instead of the ends being crimped, soldered
ends allow more better current, strength, and
longevity. |
So....
EDIT: It probably doesnt really matter since it's only extra
grounding. Where would I find the high quality heavy gauge crimps?
Car stereo store?
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Re: You asked for it here it is:
Grounding Points (judoGTI) |
4:57 PM
10-8-2003 |
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...it all depends if you know how to solder. A crappy
cold solder joint will be a horrid connection after a few thermal
cycles... _______
▊♣▊ 1.8T OVD - Ottawa Vdubbing
club!
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